Grandma pizza vs New York-style pizza
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| Field | Grandma pizza | New York-style pizza |
|---|---|---|
| Origin | United States, Long Island | United States, New York City |
| Form | rectangular, pan, thin | round, large format |
| Thickness | thin | thin |
| Rim / edge | No distinct rim; thin and flat to the pan's edge | Moderate, slightly raised rim, less pronounced than Neapolitan |
| Base texture | Crisp, fried bottom from the oiled pan, thinner than Sicilian-American or Detroit | Thin, foldable, with a firmer crumb than Neapolitan |
| Crumb | Thin, minimally open, less airy than Sicilian-American or Detroit | Moderately open, chewier and less irregular than Neapolitan |
| Hydration | 58-65% | 60-65% |
| Fermentation | same day direct, room temperature long fermentation | cold fermentation |
| Shaping | Pressed thin directly into an oiled pan with minimal proofing time | Hand-tossed or hand-stretched to a large, thin round |
| Flour | Bread flour (commonly used) | Bread flour (traditional) |
| Preferment | Direct dough method (common modern approach) | Direct dough method (common modern approach) |
| Topping load | moderate | moderate |
| Bake temperature | 230-260 celsius | 290-320 celsius |
| Bake time | 720-1080 seconds | 300-480 seconds |
| Oven | domestic fan oven, commercial deck oven | commercial deck oven, domestic fan oven, gas pizza oven |
| Flavour | savoury, rich | savoury, rich |
| Texture | crisp, dense | chewy, foldable, crisp |
| Difficulty | beginner | intermediate |
| Domestic suitability | excellent | good |
| Serving | Cut into squares and served from the pan | Sold by the slice or whole pie, folded lengthwise to eat ('the New York fold') |
Key similarities
- Thickness
- Preferment
- Topping load
- Flavour
Key differences
- Origin
- Form
- Rim / edge
- Base texture
- Crumb
- Hydration
- Fermentation
- Shaping
- Flour
- Bake temperature
- Bake time
- Oven
- Texture
- Difficulty
- Domestic suitability
- Serving